Will Branum Talks KAATSU

Episode Description

A former U.S. Navy SEAL with 26 years of service, William Branum is the founder of Naked Warrior Recovery.

At an early age in his home state of Mississippi, Branum knew he wanted to be part of a team that would push him beyond whatever limits he thought he had and still enjoy the outdoors and all it had to offer. He charged forward and became an Eagle Scout and joined the Navy immediately after high school graduation. After graduating from the famed Navy SEAL Training (BUD/S Class 208), he was stationed in Virginia Beach, then San Diego, and finally Oahu where he served on multiple SEAL Teams, taught SEAL Sniper School, and deployed around the globe.

As with too many veterans, Branum suffered from numerous physical injuries and psychological symptoms that negatively impacted his well-being and quality of life.

He talked about his use of KAATSU at home and in the Pacific Ocean, his company and THC-free CBD in the KAATSU At Home interview series with retired Navy SEAL captain John Doolittle and Steven Munatones.

For information about Naked Warrior Recovery and Branum, visit https://nw-recovery.com

Check out and order a KAATSU support system and keep in the fight.

Transcript

An exercise that I do like doing with KAATSU is I call it it’s one-legged.. one-legged sit-down and get ups. You know I basically just have a chair there and I extend one leg out and I stand up and sit down with one leg. That’s an amazing amount of core work that takes place there. I’m not necessarily doing core work, but that I’m working to just like to stand up with one leg and then you know hold the other leg out and then sit back down and try to like do it as controlled as possible. And then switch like I’ll do 10 on one side and then 10 on the other. And then just do that for five sets. Wow. And you know it’s a lot of work. It’s a lot of core work. And I guess that’s probably the exercise that sticks out is where I’m really engaging the most amount of my core with KAATSU. Yeah. Oh, wow.

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Hey, everybody. We got a special guest with us today. Retired SEAL, Will Bronham. Spent 26 years in the Navy working in Naval Special Warfare. That’s the SEAL teams. He started SEAL delivery team too. SEAL delivery team, they deal with wet submersibles. So kind of like the underwater little submarines. He was a sniper instructor. He spent time at SEAL Team 10, worked at WarCom in acquisitions. Warcom is our headquarters command for all of Naval Special Warfare. After that, he went to SEAL Delivery Team 1 in Hawaii. And then he finished with Naval Special Warfare Group 3. And that’s Group 3 is overall in charge for all undersea warfare for Naval Special Warfare. So he’s not just a SEAL in the traditional sense, but he’s also done all this stuff with our very, very niche, specialized mission underwater. So the SEAL delivery team mission as well. Retired is one of our experts in that world. And Will, glad to have you on with us, man.

Awesome. Thanks for having me. Was I supposed to say something after that? I thought Stephen was going to jump in. Yeah, well, we’re doing a very smooth podcast here of some sort. Yeah, no. So you retired on Oahu. I did, yes. Well, and then so you went from where did you grow up? I grew up in Meridian, Mississippi. There’s not a lot of water around there. Got it. Well, now you got it all around. And you surf, what other things you do on the water? Mostly I surf, but I surf on a stand-up paddle board. Okay. But you know the traditional stand-up paddle boards that you might think of, I don’t use those. I use much more of a surf style, like a more high-performance surf style. It’s so high performance, it barely floats me.

Wow. Generally, when you think about a stand-up paddle board, you’re like this big boat board out in the water and you have the whole family on it paddling around. Not mine. It barely holds me up. So it’s a little more challenging than So you always got to keep moving, in other words. Yeah, you pretty much have to either be sitting down and waiting for a wave with all the other surfers or up and moving because if I stop paddling, I’m going to fall in the water. Got it. And in this quarantine lockdown shelter-in-place scenario that we have, I mean, are you allowed to go surf and go on the beach on Oahu nowadays? No, I don’t think I’m allowed to be on the beach or really hang out on the beach, but you know there’s a transition between the car and getting in the water. So if you move quickly, no one can catch you. And maybe they wait for you to come out of the water, who knows?

But there hasn’t been any major issues right now, yeah. Wow, wow. I know you’re a KAATSU user and actually what we call a master specialist. Do you ever do KAATSU on the beach or in the water? I don’t do KAATSU in the water, but one of the things that I do before you know going surfing is that I know you’re not supposed to do this, but when I get up in the morning, especially if it’s super early in the morning and my body hasn’t really warmed up, I’ll put the bands on and just start running cycles, you know, while I make my coffee, and then I get in the car, and I have cycles running all the way till I get in the water, all on my legs. Really just to get my legs warmed up and, you know, the blood flowing, because like I said, I’m on this teeny tiny board that barely holds my 200 pounds out of the water. And, you know, as soon as I stand up on the thing, I have to start working right away. Like my legs, like balance has to be perfect. Everything has to be, you know, pretty dialed. So I have found that if I don’t use KAATSU on the way to the beach or in the morning prior to going, my performance is not as good as what it would be or what it is when I use KAATSU on the way in.

It takes me much longer to get warmed up in the water and kind of get my balance and things like that. Wow, nice. You do it for five minutes, 10 minutes? What do you estimate? No, I’ll run cycles for probably from the time I get up, make coffee and get on. I’m about 15 to 20 minutes depending where I surf from the north shore of Oahu. So, but I, you know, I’d probably start 30 minutes prior to that. So from the time I get up, I put the bands on and then while I’m, you know, my morning routine, making coffee and things like that, I’m running cycles. So I would say at least 45 minutes before getting in the water I’m running cycles. Wow, very cool. So you’re just totally incorporating KAATSU into your lifestyle. As much as possible, yeah, yeah, yeah. Nice. Nice.

You do it all on your legs in the morning like that? Or do you do any arms? I just go straight to get your legs warmed up. Just because my legs, legs and core, that’s where most of the work is coming from for this kind of surfing that I do. You know, it’s kind of like, I just put a slack line up in the backyard. And I don’t know if you’ve, you know, have you ever tried using an Indo board or a goofboard, you know, one of those boards that have the rolly underneath, you know, you’re constantly moving and you’re constantly having to adjust like micro adjustments. If you do that cold, it’s a lot harder and you can end up, you know, pulling a muscle or whatever. The same thing goes in surfing. It’s, you know, the consequences of standing up, you’re just gonna fall in the water, but you can only fall so many times before you’re too tired to continue standing. So if I can get myself warmed up and ready to go to really work those micro muscles and those quick, quick twitch adjustable muscles, you know, early on before I even get in the water.

Better for me. I can get more waves, I have a lot more fun, and I don’t look like a big goof just falling off my board all the time. The cool points matter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I’ve also seen you like really get after it. Just put them on your arms and doing some bicep curls, triceps extensions. I mean, you know, you also use it for other things. I do. I do. I use it all the time. I use it in, you know, my daily workouts. So when I first, I wish I had known about KAATSU before, long before. I’d say in 2010, I tore my bicep. I don’t know if you can really see the, oh yeah ,cool little scar there. Yeah But I tore my bicep and for many years, even after the surgery, I wasn’t really able to do the things that I can do now.

But after I got KAATSU and I started working KAATSU, you know, there’s more blood that’s going to, there’s been some healing, even though there’s been some tearing of that bicep post surgical, post-surgery. I’ve got MRIs that say, “Yeah, you know the new tendon that they screwed into my arm is actually separating from the bone again.” But since, you know, I think I’ve been doing KAATSU for about almost two years now.

I didn’t do it quite as much in the beginning as I did once the cycle 2.0 came out. I use that thing every day. It’s just so easy to use, you strap it on, put your bands on and go. I love that thing. But you know, now that I’ve, you know, I’m much more engaged in using it on a daily basis. Like I couldn’t do pull-ups before. Now I can do, I can do pull-ups with the bands on. So it has greatly improved the quality of my life, the quality of my training. But, you know, I use it all the time. And, you know, once, so I went back on your website and started doing, you know, kind of a deep dive into the studies. I was like, I wanted to get the most benefit out of this product. And so I just went and read through as many of the case studies as I could and then just kind of wrote down some of the exercises that you know they were doing where they got the most amount of benefit. And so I just started incorporating those exercises into my daily routine, into my workouts. Whether I’m, you know, lifting weights or, you know, and I really want to I want to engage as many of the fast switch muscle fibers as I can for a whole body because where I generally work out is, you know, they have, you know, the max, it’s kind of like a fancy hotel gym.

They’ve got a lot of like Nautilus kind of equipment, but I like, you know, much more free weights. And there’s no like barbell. There’s only just like 50 pound dumbbells. So I will, you know, I’ll take those and I’ll do you know 100, you know, bench press, you know, sets of 30 or 40 or whatever I can and legs and squats and lunges and things like that. Or I’ll superset other exercises in with just rubber bands. And you wouldn’t believe how much the pain of just using very lightweight rubber bands will bring to your entire body. So, and to really like put the body in shock. And I’m not really sore, that sore the following days. So yeah, I really like the product. I think that everyone should be using this product. Yeah.

And you also teach and share KAATSU with people there on Oahu, correct? I do. I share it with people here on Oahu. I also do like Zoom, FaceTime classes with people, you know, from all ranges of, you know, kind of elderly that have some medical issues to, you know, very fit people that just want to be a little bit more fit. Got it. They’re on Oahu when you work with those people. Do you ever go on the sand? What tools do you use? What equipment? Or you’re just doing body weight stuff with.. Bodyweight stuff. So on the sand, you know really it’s just like wear the bands on your legs and just go for a nice leisurely walk on the beach and you very quickly don’t want a whole lot of pressure, a whole lot of pressure in those bands. Yeah. Wow. Oh, have there been some clients that you have that might have a difficult, like a broken bone or they’re going through some issues or what are some challenging clients that you may have that you said, hey, try this KAATSU and somehow it worked for them or everybody comes to you fairly fit. No, there’s been some autoimmune issues.

I know that we’ve had some people that have had some other challenges. I actually have one client that’s actually in Mississippi where her husband has just had like, I don’t know, like major spinal fusion, like I don’t know, four vertebrae all kind of fused together or something. It was a two-day process And so we’re putting the bands on him to help stimulate the human growth hormone to kind of speed up that healing process of the surgery. Oh, nice. Nice. John you have something? No, I was just the spinal fusion. I have somebody that’s a very similar scenario. And yeah, it’s great because they’ll do a lot of stuff with the leg bands in the cycle mode and they’ll just do really, really minor lower extremity movement, but they love it. They love it because they feel like they’re getting a workout. And as you mentioned, Will, I mean, it kind of plays out with the science. You got all these supporting metabolites and hormonal response to exercise. And that’s what they’re doing. Even if they’re not moving their legs that much, which is just so cool, especially with somebody coming off a back surgery because they’re just so incapacitated. It’s just like nothing. They’re going nowhere fast, yeah. Yeah, it sucks. That’s good.

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And then, well, you have, you’re running a company now, Naked Warrior Recovery? Yes, sir. Can you tell us about that? So Naked Warrior Recovery is, I appreciate the shout out. Is a CBD supplement company, but we also sell KAATSU through my company. And really, it’s focused on the recovery of veterans and first responders from traumatic events. So CBD has been, I can’t make any medical claims in any way. However, I can tell you that CBD has helped me overcome some depression, some anxiety, PTSD, whatever you want to call it. And I’ve gotten unexpected benefits of less joint pain. And some of this is also probably from KAATSU as well, but you know less joint pain, less migraines. I definitely have better sleep at night.

But you know I had heard about this magical cannabis molecule that you know was not THC before CBD became very cool. And I was like, oh, I would like to try that, but you know I’m still in the military. I have my top secret clearance. I want to retire, you know and not get kicked out. So that was important to me. So you know about a year ago in June, a buddy you know said, “Here’s some CBD if you want to try it.” And so I tried it. And immediately I was like, I was not living in this red zone anymore. I like went from like red zone to like a bright orange. So I was able to do like good positive self-talk and like have less of a bad attitude. I was less angry. And then over time, I was like, you know, I went from like bright orange to regular orange down to yellow. And so now I’m able to like actually, you know, have an actual opinion instead of just being angry. And some second and third order effects that happened at the same time, it’s like joint pain became increasingly less.

I would go to like do something and I know that this is gonna hurt because it always does and I’m already like cringing from the pain and there’s no pain there. I’m like, “Whoa, that was cool.” And then I stopped taking CBD because I ran out of the bottle, and then stuff started coming back. And I was like, “Oh, this is not good. Maybe there’s something to this.” I didn’t really tie the two together. And then I found an opportunity to start my own company because I received such great benefits from it. And now I want to share those benefits with as many people as possible.

Great. Do you have a website? Kind of like what you guys are doing with KAATSU because I got great benefits from KAATSU as well. Yeah, yeah. Do you have a website where people can reach out to you? My website is nw-recovery.com. NW stands for naked warrior because this is actually the shirt, the logo. Oh, nice. So our history in the SEAL teams is back in World War II, if you guys remember the movie “Saving Private Ryan,” you know, the beginning of that, where, you know, the landing forces taking over the beach.

Prior to those guys going over the beach, the Navy asked for volunteers for people to come and survey, like swim in, survey the beach, and then if there are any obstacles, to go in and blow up the obstacles. So Normandy was the first time that that unit was used, and then they created the capability for the Pacific because, you know, the island campaign of the Pacific during World War II, there’s all these barrier reefs around. And, you know, Marines and Army guys are running off the ships, and they’re like running across the reefs. And then they, you know, they end up, you know, the reef, they thought they were in like knee-deep water. And really, there’s like 30 feet of water on the other side of that reef. And then they’d go and drown. So they brought these guys in, these underwater demolition teams, the naked warriors. They would just go in with like a pair of swim trunks, a K-bar knife, a slate around their neck where they took notes and a rock tied to a piece of string with knots every six feet to measure the depth of the water. And they would measure, they would go in and do surveys on beaches for three to 5,000 yards a night.

They would come back, take notes, draw basically an underwater chart of what the water looked like, where the obstacles were. And the next day before the assault force launched, they would go in and blow up the obstacles in the water, blow holes in the reef so the assault force could come in and, you know, win the island campaign. So that’s the history of the naked warrior. The other side of that is, you know, for us to have, you know, true healing from PTSD or whatever, sort of traumatic events, you know, mental, physical, emotional, we’re always wearing our armor. We always have this ironclad like, I’m untouchable. You can’t hurt me. I’m not affected by this. At some point, we have to actually take that armor off and expose ourself and be naked. And we’re all warriors and be naked in order to start that healing process. So that’s the other side of the naked warrior recovery. One is a little bit of my history and John’s history. But the other side is you have to like, you have to actually get naked and expose yourself in order to start that healing process.

Wow. Yeah, let that facade, let that armor down a little bit. Exactly. Yeah, that’s cool. Wow. Because you know in combat, you go out the door, you’re wearing armor, and when you come back, you take it off, you recover, you get ready for the next mission. If you’re always wearing that armor, you’re just going to continue to get weighed down more and more with all the stress and all the anxiety, and you’re never able to truly recover to become the person that you actually are, or the warrior that you actually are.

Wow. Just going back, why did you choose to become a SEAL? What was your goal? I was a, let’s see, I was a Boy Scout. I was an Eagle Scout. And I always knew that I wanted to be in the military. I just didn’t, I’d never heard of a Navy SEAL. There was a Navy base in my town in Meridian, Mississippi, and I was like, “I am not joining the Navy. Those guys are weird.” They have this weird dunkery uniform with bell bottoms that they wear. Absolutely not. Maybe I’ll be an Army Ranger or, you know, something like that. And then, you know, while in the scouts, and then I was thinking, well, maybe I’ll be like an F-14 pilot because “Top Gun” came out, and that was a really cool movie. But I remember at a campfire during our summer camp, a Navy pilot came out and he talked about being in the military and discipline and all this other stuff.

And afterwards, a couple of us talked to the guy and, you know, he said, “You know, if you really want to be a part of the special forces, you should be a Navy SEAL.” Because there was a guy in my OCS class who was a SEAL and, you know, that guy was unstoppable. He would, you know, if the class got in trouble or he got in trouble, the drill instructor would take him outside and have him do eight count bodybuilders for an hour, and he’d come back in and he was not even like sweating or breathing hard. And I was like, “That’s what I want to be.” And, you know, I loved the water. I was a lifeguard there and I taught swimming and life saving and all this other stuff. I also worked at the rifle range as a young Boy Scout instructor. You know, and so it was like all the things that I ever wanted to be and wanted to do. So that’s just a natural fit for me. Wow. So when did you enlist? What age did you enlist?

I enlisted between my, I don’t know, junior and senior year of high school. So 17 years old in the delayed entry program. So I enlisted and then I finished my 12th grade year of high school and then I went to boot camp and joined the Navy. Got it. And away I went. Yeah. Approximately how many countries have you visited in your career? That’s funny. Someone recently you know said how many countries they had been to or they needed a couple more to you know figure out you know they would have gone to 40 different countries. And so I was like, hmm, that’s a good exercise. Let me figure it out. So I just opened up a map and I was like, I’ve been there, I’ve been there, I’ve been there. 42 countries I’ve been to. Oh wow. And still going. Yes, excellent. But you found your home in Hawaii.

It’s home for now. Yes. Unless there’s a reason to move, I will just, we’ll stay here. Yeah, yeah. There’s worse places to live for sure. Yeah. John, do you have any last questions? No, just that sometimes I wish I was out in Kailua with Will as well. I miss those days, man. You’re always welcome to come visit. I might very well do that. Well, I guess just from the KAATSU side, it seems like if I were to just encapsulate, kind of capture the primary way you use it is for warming up muscle tissue before intense or heavy use. Is that a fair assessment? Yes, but I also use it for heavy use exercises as well.

I mean, I want to lift heavy weights just because my background and it’s a different skill set. But because of where I work out and the gyms that I have access to, I don’t have that option. So I’m using KAATSU to help me recruit those type two fast-twitch muscle fibers so that when I do have the opportunity to lift heavy weights, I won’t be behind the power curve. So I’m still getting the benefits of lifting heavy weights. And then when I do get the opportunity to lift heavy, I won’t be, I won’t hopefully not hurt myself. Yeah, it’s a great point that you made earlier, and I just want to jump back to it before we finish up here. But to me, it’s so important. You mentioned not having to work with heavy weights and still get that same kind of outcome metabolically, hormonally, or whatever.

Do you find that because you’re not moving heavy weights that you don’t get as much of this you’ll hear guys talk about the inflammation response or delayed onset muscle soreness and stuff like that. Do you get sore when you go hard with KAATSU? Not generally, no. The only time that I really get sore is when I have the leg bands, generally ,maxed out because I like to go hard and heavy. And if I’m doing deadlifts and I can do air deadlifts like no weight and just really just engage my glutes on the way up and on the way down that eccentric I guess is the right word exercise of just really engaging it and mentally imagining that I’m lifting like 400 pounds of you know deadlift and you know I do several sets I do have soreness of my glutes but I think that’s probably expected because I am working them in a ,and stretching them, in a way that they’re not normally worked or stretched.

And I don’t do a lot of that. Right, and you’re doing that with just a bar or nothing? No, no weight. Or I might use like or I might use like 35 pound kettlebells, like two of those. So that’s 70 pounds maybe. Yeah, but a lot different from the days of the 400 pound deadlifts your used to. Right. Or I might even use like a heavy rubber band even. Right. Just to have a little bit of resistance for my body to know that there’s resistance there and to work against. But really, I’ve done it you know with no weights at all. But that’s the only time that I think I’ve ever been sore using KAATSU. And I’m telling you, I’m working. I’m like sweating when I’m finishing. So it’s not, yeah. Will, do you do any KAATSU for your core, lower back, any specific exercise for that? I don’t know if an exercise that I do like doing with KAATSU is I call it it’s one-legged.. one-legged sit-down and get ups. You know I basically just have a chair there and I extend one leg out and I stand up and sit down with one leg. That’s an amazing amount of core work that takes place there.

I’m not necessarily doing core work, but that I’m working to just like to stand up with one leg and then you know hold the other leg out and then sit back down and try to do it as controlled as possible. And then switch legs. I’ll do 10 on one side and then 10 on the other. And then just do that for five sets. Wow. And you know it’s a lot of work. It’s a lot of core work.And I guess that’s probably the exercise that sticks out is where I’m really engaging the most amount of my core with KAATSU. Yeah. Oh, wow. Any other kind of unusual or unique exercises that you do? I think really for the most part, I don’t lift a lot of heavy weight, but you know I truly get the benefits of lifting heavy because you know my arms have never looked better. My chest is never, I think I’m like, I’m in as good a shape. I have more muscle mass now than I did prior to using KAATSU, even lifting free weights. Interestingly enough, kind of weird. That’s kind of crazy if you think about what you just said. Yeah, it is. You spent 26 years in you know tip of the spear, elite fighting force of America, Navy SEALs, and all that. And you’re sitting here as a retired guy that doesn’t push heavy weights saying you have more muscle mass than you ever did when you’re in the teens. I mean, that’s a pretty significant statement and kind of gets to what Dr. Sato’s life’s work is.. It’s all been about, man. I mean, it’s work. You don’t just get it. You gotta work for it. Right, right, right. But I don’t, you know, I’m not lifting, I’m not doing like 315 on the bench. I’m doing 50 pounds, 50 pound dumbbells. And sometimes I can’t even make it all the way through the workout with that. And I have to drop and go to like 45s or 40s. Wow, this is cool. What kind of pressures do you normally use? I know pressure is different for everybody, but just.. Yeah, mostly I just go all the way up. Okay. I’ll do like, you know, the high cycle to the top as my warm-up.

I know that I probably shouldn’t. And I recommend people not do that. Don’t! Do as I say, not as I do. But just because I’m kind of in a hurry with my time. And I do it a lot. Yeah So I don’t feel uncomfortable starting high and then going. I’ve started to like start a little lower and work my way up, but usually I start off pretty high, kind of like what you were, Steven, what you were talking about the other day in that Zoom call where you said Dr. Sato, his base pressure is generally around 70 SPUs or whatever. I’m like, oh, that’s serious. I don’t feel so bad about starting kind of high now. Yeah, yeah. Well, he took 50 years to get to that point. Sure, yeah. Man, I’d like to just spend a whole hour or two or three just talking about military history that you just had just on the naked warrior recovery. That was really, really interesting too.

Yeah, thank you. Yeah. I mean, I’m proud of my history. Yeah. I think it’s very cool. And I’m proud to be a part of that heritage of these guys that were just, you know, they were told at you know 18 years old, leave home, and then let’s go to war. And you’re going to war for the next four years. You’re not going home. And while they’re out there, they just figured it out, and you know they problem solved, and they did things. And they were the most decorated Navy unit in the entire war. So you know that was the catalyst for what we have today really for special operations. So you know I’m just proud to be a part of, I’m humbled to be a part of that entire history that we have.

And your design is very, it sort of sort of looks like me like a mix between a Michigan State Spartan and a Hawaiian warrior kind of theme. It’s the guy with his mask on his head. You know If you ever did that in SEAL training, they would punish you. Kind of Jacques Cousteau style. Yeah. Okay. And your email, if people want to reach out and contact you?

You can reach out to me at William@nw-recovery.com. Thank you very much. Oh man, this has been a really pleasant time for me to listen to your background and your future going forward. Awesome. And we’ll put your information on the KAATSU blog as well, especially your website, nw-recovery.com And we’ll put your contact info on there and recording this so we can kind of push it out. A lot of people can see it. Awesome. Thanks a lot, man. Yeah, I appreciate it. All right. Take care. Aloha. All right. See you guys later.

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